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Oh, Steve's like you're late at 859. Yeah, bro. 859 is not late. If you could do me a favor and share everything to all your social medias. We'd appreciate it so much. Everything gig economy related is gig economy hyphen, podcast calm or in the description there is a link tree which a link tree is all the links for us. So you don't even have to go to the website if you don't want to. But we want you.
So Megan, I'm sorry. Yes. I haven't talked to you. There's actually a story behind that. My old neighbor is having the black car right now. And she actually took it in for an oil change. I'm sorry, Megan. It was my fault. I didn't mean to.
Don't ask for your story. Well, she
said she hadn't talked to us. Yes.
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He moved. He did. I feel bad and even cold man. You should feel bad, cold man.
Shut off. We'd love for you to join our telegram group. We just had a couple new members this week. If you go to the again in the description, there's a link. It's a messaging app, you can talk to drivers all over the country, mostly Michigan, or say Michigan, Tennessee, St. Louis, North Carolina nose, z from south or north. No Johnson, North Greensboro, North Carolina. But always we'd love for you to join that would be incredible. Also, want to give a shout out to Steve from rideshare rodeo. Who we will be on together we're starting that we it's shit Steve, what's the damn site? We're gonna be on the show a radio show a call and show on Friday nights from, I don't know, seven to nine or eight to 10
we it's still ramas we are professional. Yeah, it's called
TNC radio. If you search TNC radio online, you'll be able to find it but there's going to be a call in show. So we can be like you know if you want to call in and talk about certain things, whatever kind of like this show comedy, but you can actually talk somebody call in ask about the damn bottle, the P bottle. The P bottle, I'll talk about it. I'll definitely talk about it. But yeah, it's gonna be every Friday night. Steve and I and then one other gentlemen. We might not be on all the time. At least be one of us. could not be both of us. Who knows but it's going to be Friday night. We don't have the exact time yet but we'll we'll blast it out. But we'd love to have Colors and that would be great. Absolutely. So yes for Yes. How are you?
All right before we get into it. Did you do any cake work lately?
I did not. Okay. I'm watching all the new exciting gig. things going on.
Yes. So yes, a lot, a lot of things going on. So
it's the constant battle in my mind with you know, for the new platforms what's gonna actually be worth it? What is just too much hassle for what it feels like it's worth and that kind of stuff. Yeah, I still don't really enjoy delivering and so it's that.
Oh, I forgot to tell you, john and i were bitching about I am on the struggle bus go puff. And how they weren't emailing back. There's no way to reset your password on their app. It's the stupidest thing I've ever seen. So they finally emailed me back. They're like, Oh, yeah, they didn't answer my question. I needed to change my password to like, oh, Jason, thanks for your interest in Gopal. We're not launching in Grand Rapids until 2022. Oh, yeah, so they've already pushed it back and I'm like, replied back. I just need my password reset crickets. So that's my update with go puff.
They need to go puff. Ha ha ha ha.
All right. Before we jump into news to talk about our studio sponsor Irvine's auto repair Grand Rapids hybrid and EV magazine line tonight, if you have a mechanic's question, you can ask it right in the comment Meghan will not answer it for you. But she'll give it to her service advisor Bruce and he can he can answer. Absolutely. I don't know if they'll do it real time because Bruce is probably into some Coors Light or something. I don't know if he drinks
at all. Hey, that's that's not a very nice no assumption to me. I'll just say white Claus like Megan. And by the way, if you drink beer while you drink coffee, like, That makes no sense.
Coors Light is gross. I'm sorry if you like the banquet beer, but it's, I mean, it's very quick. I mean, the last time I drink Coors Light, I got shit faced at a wedding and it was not fun. Anyways, 532 6600 to schedule service. You can talk to Bruce Megan or Jamie or events calm. You can schedule everything online. You don't have to talk to anybody. Well, you'll eventually have to talk to somebody because Bruce will call you and say hey, this is what's wrong with your car. Talk to him on the phone. Hey, yeah, exactly. Pay us $5,000 to fix this. Just kidding. That's way too much. But anyways, it's
worth 5000 miles.
That's true. Good point. Good point. So yeah, I'm gonna get my car in there soon. I'm starting gig work. Probably a couple weeks out we're almost in October. I know days so it can get about three and a half weeks of work left. Looking for that. Oh, boy.
Megan, she's just like a you problem more than a cause? That is true.
Oh, frickin course. So
I just it's all that all that beer like it might as well be water. I'm gonna
answer a few questions. GG Hang on one second. Yeah, once craft beer came along. It's like, I don't want to drink even if it's free. I'm like, yeah, I'm good. I'll drink water.
I know you know what I mean? Like what the purpose of thinking those stupid to get shit faced. But it's just it's not even worth it.
Well, if you just want to get drunk Yeah, I mean if you don't care about the taste by the by the fourth core is like they taste pretty good telling
you about this is probably 10 years ago, I bought a case of Miller Lite because I was so I was so cheap. It took me probably five months to get rid of a case. And I like I ended up using the rest of it for beer bread.
That's perfect. That's perfect for Coors Light.
This was midnight
Yeah, it's perfect for both of them. Sorry I was reading DJ dg sorry is go public instacart Not really. So I mean instacart is kind of expanded a little bit but you don't do any shopping for go puff you go to a warehouse and then they have it all ready for you and you just pick it up so I think it's a good gig. They've grown too fast too quick and I have heard great things about them. But I think I would like it but I don't know
what so what I thought the big thing they ended in in my mind right now is to lay right but you know a lot of the things they said in Grand Rapids Miko wasn't that they were going to be doing alcohol on gopalpur
I'm not sure I don't remember reading that but why don't
you write well yeah, but it also too late now right because now the other big guys are doing all right who was doing it now and so is Yep. So
and doordash right. last show and then there's drizzly there's a ton of apps
now he's drinking Grammys. Yeah. No, no.
I heard Zane advertising it so I assume it is but anyways, hi, Laura. Thanks for for chiming in. Alright, we're gonna jump into how much this person paid to go peepee that's a video. Hey, guys. I mean, that's what it was. There we go. Play with me. Okay, I will not okay. Let's see.
Yeah. Which I don't play. Mitch, I don't give a fuck what our relationship is. But I gotta pee and I'm pesan Nikki are straight pay that dude $100 to let us 100 motherfucking dollars. I got two kids, you know $100 to pay for that. Oh see you're terrible mom.
Anyways, that was fun. If you listen real closely you can hear the peepee hitting the
her children are not either so weak but she got to beat in the grass. So this is great.
Oh my gosh. Oh, you get an echo on the video. Okay, yeah, that's probably why they mute us I unmuted so we could talk but yeah, how much have you guys got paid to do things now? Okay, let's be clean. I mean, when I pass it I'm talking about with a passenger you get in the passenger gets and you're like hey, here's 50 bucks do this or wait here. I've never really experienced that. I mean, I've had people I guess waiting I've had people say here's 20 bucks Will you wait 15 minutes, but I haven't had that that seems like an incredible
that was once that somebody you know, offered me 60 bucks to wait 15 minutes for them to be done. Bow Chicka wow wow. Yes. Do you I didn't do it because I thought it was too close to two o'clock I feel that was good that I knew it was a completely bust so I shut
down that's 60 bucks worth it. Do you remember Kevin from the group back in the day? Yep. He had a story where he took somebody and he may have talked about it because he's been on the show once or twice. He took somebody up to Morley all the way to Morley so they could so he could like have sex with his girlfriend Okay, and I remember him describing how like he thought they fell asleep and then they then they would wake up and he'd come out and give him more money and then he was just like sitting there waiting and finally they never came out and he just laughed like it's like I gotta go like I've been here for a couple hours it was something like that i'm sure I fell out
anyways yeah I think the Who was it that told me that stories I was from the airport I don't know if I was one of the guys out there at the airport I was one of the in the group but he got paid to basically a rich couple came in flew in just to look at a spot in up in North Traverse City Oh drove them up there looked at the spot and drove them back like right away yeah and then it was just a flew into they could see whether or not they want to put an offer in on that land
that's how they heard of the internet I don't know oh my gosh and then there was crispo soumis that did that dogs one where he went yeah got that dog for amount of money which was nuts
It was funny as he pulls up open the garage door get the dog
I know that guy will do anything for money because I don't let's be real almost any money yeah for sure
so yeah let's let's know the craziest thing you guys are getting paid for not just the tip but what it was what have you guys done that yeah that really you know something that that that people are giving you good money for right good money for good money for
alright moving on. Yes or this is a problem that I think we have from time to time
so this is a left I think it is basically somebody hitting contact in the contact Andrea I guess Can you take two bikes This is on text. He goes no I'm sorry but I do not have a bike rack please cancel but you have a big car thing don't
know he's I don't think it's ding dong. I think it's like you have a big card ding dong. Like
my car is not equipped to transfer bicycle safety. Please cancel the ride. So basically, I would do the same thing right? Even if I have the van I can put the seat down. But no, you're not putting two bucks in my way. Well, it's
just it's just the thought of like getting these dirty bikes in the van. Like we're not a moving service. I don't care if I have an SUV. I'm not picking up your bikes. Now have I picked up a bite before? I have. I had a flat
butt and I but there's a difference between being nice and being assumed. Yeah, like this is just why you are driving around for you know don't be at my every, you know, beck and call. Yeah, no, no fuck. Excuse me. No.
Yeah, I actually appreciate you saying that because it's like more the attitude of absolutely yours. Yeah, she's super nice. He may have done it. I don't know. I don't think I would have liked Even if just texting that way, if I respond back saying no, I'm sorry to have a bike rack, she should say, Okay, thank you. You're not Popeye card ding dong.
You're not going anywhere with me.
Yeah, there was somebody got him. So thinking about so many stories tonight, but All right, next up, Steve can try to stop
himself. Yeah, I
probably should tonight. So
you don't have to talk to time. It's only 16 minutes. I know, we're good.
I know, I shouldn't stop myself. So Steve, if Steve's online, still, he can chime in on this because I think he interviewed the CEO. But this is a company called solo. It's only available in Seattle. And you're like, why are we talking about this? What it basically does is it takes all your data and sells it, no, I'm trying to get the CEO or somebody on to talk about it. But basically, you get, you know, your credentials to doordash, Uber and Lyft. Right. And you give them everything and they analyze the data and they say, okay, during on Monday, from 12 to two, this is your most profitable hour or two hours, and you're more profitable on Uber than anything else. So we want you to drive those two hours, if you do, you're guaranteed a certain amount. Now, I could be pair, I'm paraphrasing a lot of this a little bit. And we'll be more clear if we can do that. But basically, it's just being more efficient. And they're showing you where you're more because like, we get all these rides, we say, Oh, I had a great day. But where exactly, were you when you got when you had those great hours? You know what I mean? Was it grubhub was a doordash, or whatever. So I think it's great. This could help just like all the other tools like driver, utility helper and those kind of things.
But now how much data they need for to be accurate. I mean, cuz obviously, there's no way they can be accurate with a driver who's driving for two weeks, right? That's like, No, you need Yeah, there's probably there's some longevity there. Yeah. And then then, I mean, obviously, the follow up question then becomes if you have some longevity, don't you kind of know. I mean, I mean, you do. I mean, I guess there's people and then those people, so yeah, people knows. And then there's the people like,
yeah, that's a really good point. That is actually a really good point. Because for the most part, I know what, where I make the most money, but I would be interested to see if maybe I'm off a little bit. Maybe Maybe I'm a little inaccurate, and this could
well, I think you there's one big point here that you hadn't said yet because I interrupted you right? Is they guarantee it basically this is a says so if they're if you're finding that they are not right, they will pay out. Yeah, the difference. Yeah, that Yeah, that's a big difference that right. So that's how much they believe in their own product, which is really cool.
Yeah. And I like I said, I talked to Steve about it. And he said, it's like less than 1%. They pay out. So they're pretty good at what they do. So it's a I think an Uber engineer, I think Steve said, but yeah, I think it's pretty cool.
If you've, you know, if you find the golden what to call it, the golden goose or whatever, and figure out how the algorithms work. That's great. more power to you. Yeah, that's awesome.
Heather says, Have you looked into the crypto rideshare companies coming up? There's one that launched mainly in India that made me see the potential.
Hmm, I still don't know. I mean, I have crypto. Yes. All right. Yeah. I don't have tons. I just don't know if I really believe in it. I mean, so I've had time. I had several times where I had they call themselves crypto millionaires in my car who knows what the hell they were there was probably just, you know, rich Playboy's from Ada just kind of speaking they're speaking that you know, whatever. And so of course, I know that there's lots of people making tons of money on it, I get it. You know, it's not like I don't pay you I don't you know, it's I know it's there. I know it's not going anywhere. But it's just, I don't know, it's just what's weird to me, I would not advise 1000s upon 1000s of dollars and although i wish i today had pot like 10 Bitcoin,
we all wish we would have by Amazon in 1994. or whenever they whenever that
would have been Bitcoin back when there were $200 each. I
mean, been there done that, right. But what I'm weird about is like all the different coins. You know, like I could wrap my mind around Bitcoin, right? And then now there's Dogecoin and those Doge whatever, douche. That's what I call it. And then there's a bunch of other ones and I'm like, who do I believe? Where do I trust? You know,
well, I think the other side that I have is so let's say we have this and now we have, you know, crypto currency, you know, Uber and Lyft you can pay with crypto and that kind of stuff. The problem with that always it's so it's, you know, the rates jumped up and down so much to how do you really know how much you're paying for a ride down because one day it's you know, I don't know I mean right now, I'm not afraid to say this, but right now my crypto balances like 279. But last week it was 399. So well, then so volatiles
Yeah. And they need to dumb it down for us, folks. You know what I mean? Like, I don't have the time to study. No, I'm interested. I've invested a little bit just for fun and maybe and we're talking play money. I'll like 510 bucks here and there. I'm not like 1000s 1000s but I just need it explained to me, I think, if someone could explain it to me, and it was a little bit more in layman's terms, I but you're right about the flexibility like you go grab a ride in the morning. And then two hours later, you're going to go back and it's like, oh, you have insufficient funds. Like what?
What but I think it's the other way for it's the same way for the right for the pattern for the person doing the ride, right? Doing the service. Yeah, so one day, that service is maybe it's $10 another day because of the volatility of the crypto coin. Oh, no, the same ride is now worth 25 bucks. Yeah, no,
I know and then you have to you have to trust that that they're not screwing you over right? Like I mean not that I trust the government that not screw me over the American money but I get it. I know how much this cost. The company took this much out, right? We've the transaction is complete, I'm satisfied. Well, and
you know that you know, at least to a certain extent, the white fight was worth $5 today is also going to be worth $5 tomorrow. Yeah, I mean, you haven't Taino yes not next year in the afternoon we know that Yeah, but but with Bitcoin
it's like by the second I know and what moves that needle oh my gosh is a Bitcoin show. So anyways,
so I just don't know if I'm quite ready to get paid in Bitcoin yet. I guess that's my pays for services in Bitcoin I'm not
Yeah, I don't think I am either.
It's It's It's fun to play with right now. But that's it. Yeah, I still wish I had like 10 Bitcoin in my account.
Well, I'm telling you, if you if you if you really want to learn Chris post to misusing the telegram group, he would love to talk to you about Bitcoin and he will tell Sure. Yeah, I just told you just let me know when the shits gonna hit the fan and when I should sell, that's what I told him.
I said, I just lost half my Bitcoin value. But it's gonna come up again. Yeah, exactly.
It's so so so stressful. It's totally fine. But yes, for Yes, Biden's gig economy policy needs everything.
So now we're going to talk about just the fact that the gig economy is obviously here this day. And and it's been around for a lot longer than I think most people we actually really realized that it has, because a lot of us think that gig economy kind of, you know, it got really popular once it started being like app based work. So that's your Lyft, your Uber and all that kind of stuff. And but actually, gig army has been around for a lot longer. This article here says, you know, all the way back to 2007. And maybe even before that, but but the general gist of it is the fact that and we all know this, I think the workforce is changing. Yeah. Right. And and it's changing rapidly right now, with with all these app based ways of making money. And so with that comes, of course, we can't have this discussion, not have the discussion about AB five and and propose a 22 and all that stuff, because it's the whole thing. So the article starts out by this is a it's an article in smartbrief. And it basically starts out by saying that this is it's all about President Joe Biden and the US Department of Labor, how they withdraw the rule. from earlier, the President, Donald Trump and his administration put in place that it was going to basically make it easier for gig economy companies to be glad to classify their workers as independent contractors, as opposed to employees. So that's that whole difference, which you know, this whole thing about about proposal 85 of those 22. And all that stuff is about is whether or not a contract worker should be a, you know, independent contractor or should be an employee, and all that all goes with it. And I think we've all kind of talked a lot about those two things, a B five proposal 22. And you know, what that involves, you know, the benefits and stuff. But some of the things that I would like to talk about when from this article here is the fact that since they've been around so long, it's about time that the companies start changing what they do and how they incentivize. Like this, this new workforce, right? And how we can make sure that that the worker don't just from one day to the for instance, maybe if they get sick or they get an accident, all of a sudden their ability to make money is been has been is not in the car. So obviously that ties into the whole, you know, do you pay pay for sick time? Do you pay for that kind of stuff. But then also, one thing that the article is mentioning is that gig workers per General, in general terms don't have any pension funds at all those people don't think about saving up for pensions, because you're supposed to do that, you know, as an independent contractor, you have to think about this yourself all do all these things. Although, yeah, you're right. Yeah. Whereas if you are an employee, a lot of these things are, quote unquote, given to you. Right? And if you think about this, how many how many people who are in a regular employment if they didn't get the pension fund from there as a normal part of their package? Do you think they would have pension savings themselves?
Well, what I was gonna say most companies don't do pensions anymore. It's all up to the employee. Are you sure about that? Yeah. Like, I know, General Motors and lot of the teachers union still have pensions, but no, it's, they might have a 401k. Well, but that to me, that's that's what I mean. Yeah. But the company typically doesn't put money in a match. Yeah, like for us to match up to like, 5%.
Well, yeah, but that's still free money. Sure. Okay. Yeah. Okay. No, they won't pay for it. But they, what I mean is they at least give you the opportunity to save up for it. And it's part of the business package, you can say you can agree for all right. Most companies will do up to 3%, because there's actually special tax benefits for companies in place for that. Yeah. So they will kind of turn excuse me to encourage that they will do that. But I'm putting my point was is, if that wasn't something that was offered from the from your employer, do you even think that you would think about doing it?
It's tough. I mean, I don't have any retirement for my employer, like, I have my financial advisor, and they pull out a bunch of money every month from IRAs and stuff.
But you did that you did that yourself. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. And so I think a lot of a lot of people do do that. And we did that. But I'm just saying, I think there's, there's just as money, just as many people who would not do that regularly employed, right, if it wasn't offered with the company. True. So So basically, going back to the gig economy is okay, how are we going to incentivize this new workforce, which is not really new anymore. It's been around for 20 years, but it's growing. And as we start out by saying is, it's changing, people don't want to do nine to five, and people want freedom, they want the ability to do one thing one day travel and as they do their work, or whatever it is. And it's just, it's interesting. And one thing that the article is the people, the person who wrote the article is definitely exciting. The growth of the Internet has been a huge factor in the fact that this, this group of people, this new workforce is growing leaps and bounds.
Not only that, but with the pandemic, how many people are working from home, right? And how many? How many you those people? Could you be like, oh, maybe it will make you an independent contractor? Because you know, you don't need to come in you don't you know, that might have something to do for them to save a little money on Benny's and stuff.
Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, you know, exactly. But a lot of a lot of those people who. And then there are people saying basically, well, you have to come back to work, right? So now we're done, you got to come back to it. What a lot of people say no way I don't know, I'll find a job that does quit and I'll find a job looking
for work from home. And now that you could get a job anywhere right now. Right? So
another thing that the article is bringing up, which I thought was very cool is its day to day payment as a way of revising that. And so, so the whole idea is that I will do eight hours with a word today and tomorrow morning, those eight hours will be paid for my bank account. And I think you brought up an extra x. Excellent point, Reggie, we were talking about that pre show was the fact that some maybe not a lot, but some is going to be dependent on that payment. Yeah, you know, which, unfortunately, is kind of a shame, right? So are we going to have a situation where people are living paycheck to protect paycheck to paycheck, not on a weekly basis, but they're going to wake up in the morning, and if they don't work?
It's the same thing, though. Sure. But let's take a different it's the same as well, my point is, though, think about this, I thought about a good advantage. It just popped into my head. What about those people that can't make it stretch for that week, but then they maybe would keep them if they got paid every day would keep them out of the check cashing places and stuff like that, where they just right? Just take advantage of people so bad. So maybe it's like, oh, if I work tomorrow, I get paid and I can pay my bill or whatever. So no, that's true. But well, thank you for that. I think it's important. We'll see what what the Biden administration does with that. Obviously, they want they want the unions they're probably And all that stuff so well,
exactly i think i think i think the big question here that we didn't really go into a whole lot is should this be something that the government should be rules and put rules in place for that? Or should it be the companies themself coming up ways in finding ways of incentivizing this workforce but
not gonna do an employee?
Right exactly it's gonna be the best how how can we get the best of both worlds? How can we stay with the flexibility and still be a you know, just as as as effective for the companies?
I'd be interested if you were if you were doing gig full time, right? And Uber said, Okay, if you work for us a certain amount of hours every month you'll earn one day off, would you I mean, people would be over the moon for that right? Like Well, you'd never
even have to be that you can take this off this day off and I'm still gonna pay you
know that Yeah, you wouldn't earn a day off you'd basically get one day paid whatever your average daily earning is, let's say it's 50 bucks all of a sudden, you'll just get an extra 50 bucks a month in your check because you stayed working with us this many hours. I think people would be super excited about that.
And I think so too, but I don't think Google will ever do that now the what what Uber is dependent on which I think is and it's stupid right though they're depending on new drivers signing up and and and not even not really knowing the system right? Because that's how they survive Yeah, they have no interest in pay as loyalty are worth no no Yeah, but
it would be worth it if they could keep all of us independent contractors the government starts sticking their nose in it then they might you know, they're going to be forced to do something whether they like it or not. Whether they do it themselves or if the government makes them
Well yeah, but the problem with that though, and you're probably right, the problem with Uber though, is that that big that do they really care No, they and then they won't be forced to do anything until at least 10 years from now and then it's somebody else's problem I'm
waiting for a good company to actually be awesome to their people. I've yet to find it. Now of course there's curry and thunder and all that I haven't really worked for them yet so I can't say anything but it's just the ones that I have worked for right I've not been real happy of how they've operated things.
No I know and Lyft isn't really that much better than Uber and clearly
I it must be good enough that I stay doing it but then what some punk said earlier people want to work when they want that's I mean I even don't like doing Amazon routes just because they're telling me when to work I mean like you got to work you got to pick this block up at two while it's pick it up at two you have to have all delivered by nine don't care when you do it how you do it but
when i think i mean you say back to you know working full time for Oberon left you do okay though I mean that's the thing I mean like
hey, I thought about it just because I love the flexibility right but man it just as we said before it just murders your car sure murders that like and I don't know if it's worth it to be honest with you but alright, let's move on. Good talk. So this is something I saw pop up I don't know where but this is interesting as we new drive the night crowd you find a lot of phones and someone sent a screenshot says iPhone remains final after power off find my helps you locate this iPhone when it's lost or stolen even after power off so we always said power off your phone so they can't track you down. Ben's found his kids phone through that tracker so that shits incredibly accurate. So just throw it out the window.
But is it is it is it just doing the last location?
I don't know I didn't read into it because that's that I don't know. I mean, I assuming it is maybe but it's just my point is
because otherwise there's gonna have to there would have to be a small charge still. Yeah,
of course. Yeah. I don't know. I'd have to research it a little more. But just so you know, I mean, I would power the phone off as a new driver if you're out there if you do get a phone. I would power it off because Ben's had people come to his house or knock on the door at like 330 in the morning I mean it's data accurate so I would just power it off according to the police officer once Yeah, according to this they can still find it but that makes a good point. If there's no power source, it's just gonna give the last location if you drive away that doesn't really work. But anyways, so before we move on to a lift, Lady freaking the fuck out. Yeah. I'd like to talk about our production company Hey guys Media Group. We actually yes Brunei and then our partner Ben Have a company that helps people starts podcasting. So if you're interested in starting a podcast, we can help you from scratch all the way to just some, some regular editing. The link is in the description. We would love to help you start your podcast. We did have one guy reached out to me once and said he wanted to start a gig economy podcast. I'm like, sorry, man, like, you start up and you like become a podcaster that hit me up, we'll all collab together, but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna promote you, unless you're already established on your own. And maybe I'm dumb maybe I should have took the money and Rod but different mark, and maybe all the podcasts are worldwide so that the world is our market. But yeah, if you go to Hey guys, media group.com and click out, click the forum. If you're interested in any of that, we'd love to do that.
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you just you just jumped over mine. Did I were the lady there free. I'm just saying. Oh,
yeah. Okay, so before we do that, I'm a dumb ass. We're gonna watch this lady freak out on this guy. I'm sure you may have seen this. I don't do lift. Since when he would go. I just tried to ask him to go to speed limit. Okay, okay. All right. trunk. I'm not going anywhere. Do you open I get a copyright infringement. Just realize there's music behind it. Oh, who cares? You're gonna have to get my bag out of your car. She's freaking out. She's on the freakin highway. I know our live listeners can't hear us but washy.
Yeah, I'm just asking him to do this go the speed limit. That's what he was saying. It's you're speeding.
Tennessee. Watch your takeoff. She peels out. Oh, got this guy out on the side of the road.
Oh, yeah. As you can see this. The end is good. Bad just happened to me.
That's incredible. I cannot believe that happen.
And he started by saying I'm just trying to make you go the speed limit ma'am.
So I don't want to throw her. Yeah, that's her. I forgot about that. See? She is barefoot. She was driving barefoot. I don't want to completely throw her under the bus or him we don't know what happened when he started recording like there could have been some complete sea sucker before that. I doubt it because she like really flipped her lid but there's possibility that he was kind of being a jerk and she was driving barefoot which is have you ever tried to drive barefoot when you you know you wear shoes all the time when you drive? Have you ever jumped in your car like run to the galley? I drive barefoot on you do it's so weird. I got to move the seat like six inches forward.
I used to drive in the winter diamond my slippers.
Oh yeah, you come over here and your slippers I mean, I guess if you're just coming but what like a to be and that's that's hilarious.
Yeah. But you know it was more interesting is I want to know is what was sitting on his seat next to her. What do you mean? Like her car had like that warning tape all the way before
was a Halloween thing? I don't know. But it's a little early for that.
I thought she had done it because she didn't want people sitting next to her. You know, according to the Okay, the whole COVID thing like warning tape and stuff.
Yeah, it's funny. I was I was thinking Halloween, but you're right. This was probably posted way earlier, so well, she seemed like
kinda. She seemed fun. She needs to shout out whiskers. Yeah, come come down.
She had a bad day. Okay, so this one is me. I ordered doordash Like I said, I can't remember where my family was. But I ordered five guys. So this is the
Hey guys if I guess yeah,
that is the only joke that three people in the world. Oh my gosh. So this was the text from Matthew. You can text an app now it doesn't actually go through the text messaging system. He says Jay And the guy grabbing your five guys order gives me some emojis I said thanks he said no problem amigo see as soon as he says here I come get ready for that bug like it's it's it's funny so I really kind of enjoyed the interaction I was glad he did that everything and I almost I want I should stop and talk to these guys but i don't i know weirdo in the house and let him deliver it but then this is what he posted for his picture that he delivered it but do you see a problem with this do you see a problem with this picture if
not wearing a mask?
I don't care about that. What else is one other thing
Oh yeah, I see it now what how did you get the burger?
Exactly you put it in front of my freaking door He's so nice yet Matthew you put it in front of my door so I saw when I opened the door it did knock over but it was just a burger and fries but oh Matthew What are you doing brah but he was a nice guy I really appreciated the the the inner the interaction It was kind of cool he made it fun. I didn't tip him anymore because I pre tip so I added another tip but I should be soliciting these guys can I write that off as a business expense? Absolutely.
Oh I can I can order doordash and then say here
is what we should do research research research.
Exactly. So thank you Matthew if you ever hear this we appreciate just don't put food in front of the door. That's that is that is a rookie mistake my friend.
So this is a post and I'm part of the Uber drivers forum on Facebook and he goes Hi y'all I'm excited to be a new driver I would love your input What do you think is the best for keeping if keeping expenses low buy reliability and income high? The first comment was
quit I'm just disappointed there's only one laughy face with gosh you hate to say it but sometimes that's true don't do it man. Don't do it. Don't do it.
by me. She asked the question right what's the best for keeping expenses low and reliability and income I see
it's it's true though if you if you go back to our conversation about new drivers they're like they don't understand any of that stuff like you'd be better off just staying home stand on the corner bag that might be more of it. I think it would be Oh man. Next up, this is kind of a tech thing but we talked about it or a banking thing. We talked about it earlier. It looks like stride is partnering with pay fair and basically you're going to be able to get paid 24 hours a day seven days a week and it's instant right and i know curry right now it's instant you get paid after each job wow it's it's within seconds Steve said you go to the bank or look in your bank app it's there so it's not per day it's the instant you do a job they send the payments
you don't even have to click no money.
No you don't have to do any of that. But I think that's great. But so yeah, that's basically all this is about that they're going to make it easier for people to pay or get paid sooner. Because like right now if you do a payout on Uber doesn't it take like a day or two? It may be done for now No,
they should do the instant payout on Ubers card it's pretty
wild Ubers card not to your bank though,
correct? Yeah, but that's because it's not dependent on the bank system.
That's true that's a good point. It's the bank that's holding that up so I wonder if that if you will have to use stripe bank or if I'm sure
you do i mean Oh yeah, I mean you'd have to use one of that bank cards I mean it's the same thing that we talked about that was what was that and we had an interview with a couple of months ago oops yeah so they do the same thing right trying to make this to be the bank card for gig workers we can get your money right away and that caught me and maybe and they will even they went one step further which was I thought was interesting is they would they would do like a paycheck advance program yeah if you needed money they were led to you know advance like 1%
right or whatever it
was, it was very cheap at least but so you have you have that you know, the need let's say you do get sick or whatever it is yeah, you have the ability to kind of get that payout so that was kind of cool. But you know, we all it's all about what that article earlier to was and how do you incentivize your workforce right and this is certainly right aligned with that.
I think if I was a gig worker full time I would use that Debit Card For my whole life like cuz then because if you if you get an end to that card, okay, that's great. Then you have to transfer it to your bank, well then then then there's a hole there again, so it's so if you but if you use that card for everything like you know, which I've never done that yet, and
if you do that, too I mean your taxes gonna be so much easier. Yeah because you will know exactly all your all the stuff you spend on gas. What if you do if you do itemized, you know taxes right stuff, so,
hmm. Well, the quicker people can get paid the better. So I'm glad companies are starting to do that. Speaking of getting paid, we would love for you to where's my sly? Join us on Patreon. I like Eddie he's like asking for all this extra stuff on Patreon He's like, do a video about the studio and send it put it to Patreon. I'm like, that's actually a good idea. That would be fun. We never get requests in there people just, you know, alright, I'll show you a video of that amazing organized desk right there.
Yeah, maybe not do that. For Patreon. That's
where you get the special perks. But if you go to patreon.com and search the gig economy podcast, you can sign up for a $5 tier.
So my question though, is are you going to do it while you're in your underwear?
I will but you
might be more important people.
Well that is for my only fans. Oh, the business is not collecting money for me from my only fans account. Anyways patreon.com so it's a good kind of bucket podcast, a $5 tier and a $10 tier. The $5 tier gets you the extra pre banter show. The $10 tier gets you an extra podcast a month, the third month you get you need to talk more than I yes because I'm running out the third mile
is laughing at some pugs comment.
I'm sure it's hilarious. You get a T shirt on the third month and etc etc. So what did he say? ball slapping fun all slapping fun all day long.
Also the next one here is a another I think it's a Reddit facebook facebook Okay, so basically it's in the group Uber delivery drivers and I'm sorry we forgot to drag out your name Megan. So who cares? Yeah No it's basically this is all about you know, somebody going above and beyond when it delivers and I just don't even know if it's if it's ever worth it. I tried doing the whole giving up, you know, extra waters and candy in my car and I didn't get any extra automated but basically this one here is he's saying I've been delivering for six weeks I made some amateur mistakes and also run into some holes so my rating dropped from 98 to 93 in two weeks. I wanted to get my Uber EADS ratings back up before the first and I did I did it in two days. In fact, I started handing out these with every delivery and got abundant thumbs up over the last two days basically bought a bag a pair of peppermints and three boxes of fruit snacks and little bags with ties of Amazon bought the status of Etsy customers always appreciate of the small token of my appreciation I hope this helps someone else. So you get small goodie bag with a mag with a sticker on the front. I love the sticker. It's very cool very professional. The problem is that bag is gonna cost for at least a buck to make
We'll see. And here's the problem. So she's worried She's not even talking about tips she's worrying about thumbs up but this is where a rookie comes in and doesn't realize thumbs up don't get you paid girl right? Like it doesn't matter you just do the best you can now if Uber let you if let's say this was for rides favorite a driver and you could do that and you know that clients gonna come back to you totally different game Oh absolutely. Totally different guests. But just for somebody that you're delivering overeats order to it's not worth it but I like her enthusiasm in the comments weren't that bad when I brought it I thought for sure she was gonna get slaughtered in there but they were most people were pretty supportive
when I think it's fine if you want to in the things is worth it but I don't think you're gonna see that money ever again. It's not an investment. It's kind of pay no, but
she's she My point is is she's looking at the thumbs up. She's asking about the money so if I could give any advice, don't do it. If you want to do it, that's fine too. Like Go for it. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna knock you down. But don't expect these amazing results from it. No results. No results. This is kind of interesting. It doesn't surprise me. This is from Leo. One of our Patreon members. Thank you Leo. Lift is bringing back the subcompact vehicles, but I think both Lyft and Uber got rid of those right? My guess is they just need anyone they can to drive Oh yeah, they're like don't give a shit or bring them back again. Which I don't know why they got rid of them either. Anyways, although I think there should be like a warning when you order a lift when you get a sub calm. You know what I mean? Like I feel like they say like, hey, just let you know this is a smaller car if you're okay with a school that he's going to come because I mean, me and you get in the back of a sub like a Honda Fit. I mean, no, that ain't happening. I mean it's happening but we're gonna be touching real a lot of stuff and we won't we ain't leaving. No, you're gonna have to peel us out of there. So I guess my only thing I'm glad they bring it back but I wish they could say hey, by the way, this is a subcompact car if you don't want all the vehicle Yeah, cuz I'd be pissed if it was like me, you and Ben, and we ordered a left and that Honda Fit shows up. You're like, Oh, hell no. Or we'd be like, Alright, can you record this us getting
or do the comfort? I mean, yeah,
but I don't know. At least in Grand Rapids doesn't have that right. Or do they have lift comfort? so freakin long? Well, I know my car doesn't apply to any of those cars to old shit. Okay. This year's yesterday. Oh, God, I cannot wait to talk about this one.
This is another Lyft Uber thing from Detroit
from Detroit. Brittany, actually hear about this.
If you're in here, thank you so much for getting me home safely. Single handily. The most embarrassing thing I've ever done in my life. Five stars. Above and beyond. I'm so sorry for puking in car. I paid 150 and tip 250 dollars hands down. best driver ever. There was so grateful for you. I'm so sorry. So basically somebody puked in the car. And
Brittany puked in the car. Like calling her own self out. She's clearly a driver, too.
And Rashad took took her home and well,
so I saw that said your ride was $101. So I'm wondering if that one hasn't cleared yet?
Well, that's into the tip. Yeah,
but the 150 is not in there. Oh, no, no. Yeah. So I thought I thought that was incredible. Like, she was like, Hey, I'm that I'm a piece of shit. I'm so sorry. But like posting it in the group. So clearly, she must be a driver. I mean, I guess I could still get in that group and not be a driver. But I was like, look at you Brittany, you're like you took care of that. I guess she must be a driver because of her going above and beyond for this guy. But
don't you think also mean we've done that before too, whenever we take some I mean, not that you have ever puked in my car whenever I took you home or whatever. You would always you know. Like, I think when you know when you work in the industry, you go above and beyond to make sure that if you meet somebody who actually does the job, right, you will let them know and you tip. Yeah,
every time I pick up service workers for the most part, they all tipped or later at night when the bartenders were getting out if I was out really late, like 330 they always tip really good. Good cash tips, though. Well, yeah, that's what I want. I don't want anything in the app. So yeah, last story, and then we'll be done. It's not even an hour yet. So this is about this is from Uber Lyft drivers calm if you ever want some new stories, go there. And that's Steve's website. And then you can get his podcast there too, but deliver Roo and UberEATS careers are renting out their jobs to alleged illegal immigrants online investigation has revealed. So drivers and couriers from both firms are advertising jobs and private Facebook groups and not taking the next necessary precaution of vetting who they sub hire. So this is what's weird. The companies allow couriers who are self employed to sublet their accounts to people, given they carry out the necessary checks on their substitute. So we're allowed to sub it out. That's basically what that sand eba we're will this is in France, Belgium, Belgium and Italy. It says, It literally says the companies allow couriers who are self employed to sublet their accounts to people given they carry out necessary checks on their substitute for delivery. Who doesn't ask for confirmation that this happens? Uber Eats ask for proof of right to work along with a substitute driver license within 24 hours. They also say riders must inform restaurants of the change. I don't know Can somebody confirm or deny you can rent your Uber Eats account.
Well, apparently they do.
I don't know. It's very interesting. I doesn't look like anywhere in the United States, but I thought it was it's too weird. Well it to me the story isn't them subletting to illegal aliens. The story to me is the subletting like What's wrong, right? Yeah, I mean, maybe that's something that yes, he says you can let others use your account.
I don't think you can but what is illegal? Yeah, but
how do you do that? If you're going to use my Uber Eats account, right? I have to change you have to change the picture. Like to do it legit. I don't understand how you would do that.
Well, I mean, you can just do a pay you know, if you want to cheat the system, you just take a photo
Yeah, yeah, but they're gonna
but how many people actually cares about the damn photo?
No, but with the platform care for like if I go change my photo, you they're probably gonna have
they're not gonna do that. You just kind of take a photo of your picture of yourself. Here's a picture hold it up if you need to take it.
No, I okay. So we might be talking about different things I'm talking like in the states in Grand Rapids right how would we How would it legally be done without legal okay well they're they're acting like that's against the terms of service right but this article says that they are allowed to do it that's my sure yeah, but I think it's weird like correct it does doesn't happen in Michigan but well Jamie Lynn says they restrict the number of drivers over there. So that's probably why they swapped that they sub that stuff out but I thought that was interesting. I still would like to know it's weird if you can actually do that. legitly But
no, well maybe. Obviously.
Well, this is from Steve's website. I mean, take this with a grain of salt nothing is so our job was malware. It's incredible Just kidding. Anyways, so guys, we are done. We are coming to a screaming halt as yesterday's video was a good show, so I appreciate it. I will post the rideshare TNC radio dot live I think it is but I'll post all that we'd love to have some you call and talk about we're just gonna be talking about stories and all that stuff. It's cool to get as many people on Friday night I will confirm on the time but obviously when you listen to this podcast, it'll be next Friday, but if you're watching live, it'll be this Friday. So have a good night guys. Thanks,
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